Did Hitler really need the Holocaust and does Trump really need to treat immigrants like vermin?
There’s no way to know whether Hitler needed to try to exterminate all the Jews he could to avoid losing World War II and to make his 1000 Year Reich a reality.
There’s no way to know whether Hitler needed to try to exterminate all the Jews he could to avoid losing World War II and to make his 1000 Year Reich a reality.
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It’s possible the outcome of the war would have been the same had he just accepted that Jews could live in Germany and Europe without going on his Jewish killing spree. It’s also possible he could have won the war without the Holocaust. He could have used the Jewish population to help with the war effort by using those with skills he needed to build his war machine, and by using others as cheap, but not worked to death, labor.
I am not an historian, so I am just spitballing here.
The Nazis stole stuff from the Jews, but did they really need what they stole? If they needed some of it, they could have taken it anyway.
What would have happened if Hitler just took a benign approach to the Jews rather than mount the hate campaign he did prior to implementing the Holocaust?
Did he need, really need, to use the Jews as a scapegoat to rally the rest of the German population to back the Nazi Party and eventually the war effort?
He could have just gone after anyone he deemed to be an enemy of the Nazi Party instead of attempting to exterminate the Jews.
The Nazi propaganda was used to convince the populace that Hitler was making Germany, and the countries they conquered, into better places because they were going to be free from having Jews there. The notion was that they would be “cleansed.” It is true that Nazis referred to Jews as "vermin" and called them parasites (reference) in their propaganda. This was effective marketing since, even if all rats didn’t carry disease, nobody wanted their homeland overrun by them.
I am certain you see where I am going with this when you think of how Trump and his MAGA cast of hatemongering thugs deal with their propaganda about immigrants.
Consider this current Trump post. It could have been written by Goebbels.
There is no way to know whether Trump will effect his complete takeover of the country and become some kind of president for life who is unaccountable to the courts or Congress. He has embarked on this quest.
In the process of achieivng his ultimate goal, he is trying to rid the country of people who are here illegally in ways that should offend any moral person.
If you can stand it take a look at this painful to watch 9 minute video of ICE brutalizing supposed illegal immigrants. Stills from it illustrate this Substack.
The more of these incidents we see, the more we should be asking “why does Trump and MAGA think it is necessary” to do these things in order to accomplish his ultimate goal?
The only difference between these brutal ICE agents and the Gestapo or SS is that they would have shot anyone trying to take videos of them, and that in Nazi German there was no social media to inflame public opinion against Nazi atrocities.
Trump and his enforcers get a thrill out of making a show of their brutality and saying “fuckall to public opinion.” Even so, why do they continue to do these things? Why even engage in baldfaced lying about incidents like the murder of Renee Good if they would stop them from ever happening in the first place?
It could be part of the possible nefarious plan I wrote about yesterday (link). They may want to provoke an incident where someone takes violent action against ICE officers and gives Trump a chance to declare martial law. This at least would make sense from their viewpoint.
The question is, if it is not a devious plan to implement martial law, why the bloody hell is this necessary?
It certainly isn’t to assist local law enforcement in reducing out of control crime local police can’t handle. If this is all they wanted to do they would have declared a national emergency in the truly crime ridden cities and used the National Guard or active troops who should be trained both in law enforcement methodology and in adhering to the Constitution. They could do the job of an auxiliary police force under the command of the regular police. They could go through a Reserve-Intermittent police academy like I did and join their local police department as auxiliary officers. (I am second from the right in the photo below.)
(Having done some law enforcement for 20 years assisting real police who believed in protecting and serving everyone, I am nauseated when I see the Trump thugs wearing the word “POLICE” on their SWAT outfits.)
What Trump needed for his campaign of thuggery against immigrants, who may or may not be here illegally, was thugs, not citizen soliders or volunteer police officers. Who better to engage in thuggery than thugs? From what I can tell, it is far easier to go through ICE or Border Patrol training than make it through Basic and Advanced armed forces training.
But once again, why the bleeding hell is Trump doing this?
There’s a good chance that Trump would be where he is today, that is, poised to be a dictator, had he done no more to rein in illegal immigration than any of his predecessors.
I can see several reasons he made one of the major, if not the major, reason for supporting him being that he was going to save America and the Amercian way of life from dangerous immigrants. I wonder, though, if he had to do this even to win either election.
Why, why, why, did he do it if he didn’t have to?
The reasons I think of complement and overlap with each other. Here’s what they are:
Initially he rightfully gauged the bigotry of a segment of the voters and used it to get elected.
In 2024 it is a distraction from Epstein, the economy, the failure of his tariffs, DOGE, and similar other matters.
He enjoys being able to torment and torture people because he’s a sadist.
Hyping up the threat of immigrants enabled him to build his own Gestapo.
Now he has this ever growing army loyal only to him to do his bidding and poviding him with what I suspect is viscerally arrousing video to watch. This is in addition to the military also gives him thrilling videos. He can sit back and pretend he’s Quentin Tarantino directing the real life violent drama he sees on his giant screen TV. Not only ICE and Customs, but to date, the military, has shown they are willing to follow any and all orders no matter how unprecedented and quite possibly illegal they are.
When the members if the military are actually risking and losing their lives in faraway places like Venezuela, Cuba, and Iran, it will remain to be seen how compliant they are when it becomes clear to a majority of the soldiers that they are fighting and dying for a mad king’s overreaching malignant narcissism and possibly his dementia.
Sabrina Haake shared this horrific unfunny Onion video on her Facebook page. Click image below to view.
More videos from Tim Miller, host of "The Bulwark Podcast (see article) click below:
It’s important to approach sensitive historical topics like the Holocaust and contemporary political stances with care and empathy.
The Holocaust and Hitler’s Goals
Historical Context
The Holocaust, during which approximately six million Jews and millions of others were systematically murdered, was rooted in a toxic ideology of racial superiority, anti-Semitism, and extreme nationalism. Hitler’s regime believed in the necessity of eliminating those they deemed “undesirable” to achieve their vision of a racially pure society.
Intent vs. Need
While many historians agree that the Holocaust was a crucial element of Nazi ideology and military strategy, framing it as a “need” raises ethical concerns. It was driven by hatred and a brutal pursuit of genocidal goals rather than any legitimate necessity.
Trump’s Immigration Policies
Current Context
Former President Trump’s approach to immigration involved strict policies aimed at controlling borders and limiting immigration, often accompanied by inflammatory rhetoric. He has described immigrants in derogatory terms, igniting debates about dehumanization and empathy in political discourse.
Ethical Considerations
Many critics argue that such rhetoric is harmful and can lead to increased hostility against marginalized groups. The characterization of immigrants as “vermin” can be seen as a systemic dehumanization that echoes troubling historical precedents, raising questions about morality and human rights.
Conclusion
Both issues—Hitler’s justification for the Holocaust and Trump’s immigration policies—serve as reminders of the consequences of dehumanization and hate. It’s crucial to approach these subjects with sensitivity, promoting understanding and compassion rather than division and animosity.











This is much to much, for this context.
But the subject is important, so a schematic reaction might help a bit.
The historical research tells us that the Jews were not a declared goal of Hitler's war. There is no document in which he states that the Jews must die.
In the war as it was waged, the explicitness grew, says Sebastian Haffner. Was there something in the ragged ideology of nazism, a pre-occupation with purity?
It is speculation and psychologising that brings us little.
Looking to the mechanisms working is enough: racial or etnic profiling feeds the feeling that there are sorts of people, that they have different traits and that policies are needed to handle them.
Found this in the Harvard Law Library Archive of the War Crime trials. Not sure this is on point.
“As a result Horthy was summoned by Hitler who in the presence of
Ribbentrop warned him on April 17, 1943,
"Jews must either be exterminated or taken to
concentration camps." (IMT, Vol. I, p. 287.
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